WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS? WHAT IS THE MEANING OF DRONING PAKIs WITHOUT DECLARING WAR TO THEM?
CIA DRONE STRIKES WILL GET PASS IN COUNTERTERRORISM
‘PLAYBOOK,’ OFFICIALS SAY
EUROPEAN PRESSPHOTO AGENCY - A counterterrorism manual designed to
establish rules for targeted drone strikes leaves open major exemptions for
drone strikes in Pakistan, U.S. officials say.
By
Greg Miller, Ellen Nakashima and Karen DeYoung, Published: January 19
There
is no Taliban, there is no al-Qaida. These are both arbitrary names given to us
by the CIA in order to have a "named" bogus, evil enterprise to
'attack'. Find out for yourselves. It's all a hoax. Watcher1 1/20/2013 [see COMMENTARIES below]
The Obama administration is nearing
completion of a detailed counterterrorism manual that is designed to establish
clear rules for targeted-killing operations but leaves open a major exemption
for the CIA’s campaign of drone strikes in Pakistan, U.S. officials said.
The carve-out would allow the CIA to
continue pounding al-Qaeda and Taliban targets for a year or more before the
agency is forced to comply with more stringent rules spelled out in a
classified document that officials have described as a counterterrorism
“playbook.”
The document, which is expected to be submitted to President Obama for final approval within weeks, marks the culmination of a year-long effort by the White House to codify its counterterrorism policies and create a guide for lethal operations through Obama’s second term.
A senior U.S. official involved in drafting the document said that a few issues remain unresolved but described them as minor. The senior U.S. official said the playbook “will be done shortly.”
The adoption of a formal guide to targeted killing marks a significant — and to some uncomfortable — milestone: the institutionalization of a practice that would have seemed anathema to many before the Sept. 11 , 2001, terrorist attacks.
Among the subjects covered in the playbook are the process for adding names to kill lists, the legal principles that govern when U.S. citizens can be targeted overseas and the sequence of approvals required when the CIA or U.S. military conducts drone strikes outside war zones.
U.S. officials said the effort to draft the playbook was nearly derailed late last year by disagreements among the State Department, the CIA and the Pentagon on the criteria for lethal strikes and other issues. Granting the CIA a temporary exemption for its Pakistan operations was described as a compromise that allowed officials to move forward with other parts of the playbook.
The decision to allow the CIA strikes to continue was driven in part by concern that the window for weakening al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan is beginning to close, with plans to pull most U.S. troops out of neighboring Afghanistan over the next two years. CIA drones are flown out of bases in Afghanistan.
“There’s a sense that you put the pedal to the metal now, especially given the impending” withdrawal, said a former U.S. official involved in discussions of the playbook. The CIA exception is expected to be in effect for “less than two years but more than one,” the former official said, although he noted that any decision to close the carve-out “will undoubtedly be predicated on facts on the ground.”
The former official and other current and former officials interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were talking about ongoing sensitive matters.
Obama’s national security team agreed to the CIA compromise late last month during a meeting of the “principals committee,” comprising top national security officials, that was led by White House counterterrorism adviser John O. Brennan, who has since been nominated to serve as CIA director.
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COMMENTARIES: [the ones in brackets are mine]
scott3108. 1/22/2013
Our drone policy
from near the start is WRONG! And the people in DC that are working
on the "play book" know it
is wrong and
probably against international law...relative to attacks across
international borders especially when a "war" has not been declared.
Yes, we do and have killed a lot of "suspected insurgents"...and we
know a lot of families along with the "suspects" So what does that
mean? Our killings in the tribal areas of Pakistan are likely mostly
"criminal". "Kill lists?" What are we doing? Have we no
feelings of guilt in these killings? Sorry kids, we thought you were insurgents
rather than kids out gathering fire wood of herding the family milk cow. These people had to
do with 9/11? Not likely. Most have not ever heard of 9/11 but are fighting a
foreign invasion that has killed a lot of their friends and relatives...which
they compare with the Soviet invasion of the 80s.
What are we doing? A "play book for killing"? What we are doing is WRONG and will be with us for a long time but eventually we will try hard to forget it....and certainly the media should not look too closely at what we are doing. It might make us think...for a change.
What are we doing? A "play book for killing"? What we are doing is WRONG and will be with us for a long time but eventually we will try hard to forget it....and certainly the media should not look too closely at what we are doing. It might make us think...for a change.
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jnc4p 1/21/2013
In
order to square "a decade of war is now ending" with reality, the
administration will simply redefine perpetual drone strikes as something other
than war.
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negotiator
sanju@ you are right that daniel peral and many others were killed
in Pakistan and so are 40,000 paki's also, battle zone has it's own
mechnaism.
But what about INDIA, should the DRONES be sent to kill RAPITS as INDIAN government is not seems to be capable of handling them. Here is the history of high profile rapes involving foreigners in india:- 1990--- 2009 : An American student studying at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences in Mumbai was raped by six men whom she went out with to a party. The court acquitted the men in 2010, saying the victim was not “wholly reliable.”
[Do you] THINK DRONES are REQUIRED IN india too?.
But what about INDIA, should the DRONES be sent to kill RAPITS as INDIAN government is not seems to be capable of handling them. Here is the history of high profile rapes involving foreigners in india:- 1990--- 2009 : An American student studying at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences in Mumbai was raped by six men whom she went out with to a party. The court acquitted the men in 2010, saying the victim was not “wholly reliable.”
[Do you] THINK DRONES are REQUIRED IN india too?.
[ IF WE LEGALIZE DRONES NOW we are not only legalizing political
xenophobia, a hate crime, we are converting our nation in enemies of the entire
world since any-nation can be droned if the big corporations who owns America, wanted their resources; that is, if their sick-pawns in power and in the State Department agencies,
declared so, in the name of our “national security”. Listen!, if such counterterrorism “playbook is approved that will be a declaration of war not only against the
Pakis; that will be a declaration of war against all sovereign States of the
world. Now are the Pakis.. who else later on?.
On the other hand, that Manual or PlayBook if approved will be an explicit way of
saying WE ARE THE TERRORISTS, SO WHAT? ]
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jnc4p 1/21/2013
In order to square "a decade of war is now ending" with reality, the
administration will simply redefine perpetual drone strikes as something other than war.
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Intuitive1 1/20/2013
The CIA is right. Would you stop bombing Pakistan if you
were convinced they arm, train and shelter the terrorists killing our troops?
Don’t think so. Read further here
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=isi&startpos=100
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=isi&startpos=100
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Watcher1 1/20/2013
There
is no Taliban, there is no al-Qaida. These are both arbitrary names given to us
by the CIA in order to have a "named", bogus, evil enterprise to
'attack'. Find out for yourselves. It's all a hoax.
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Apache100 1/20/2013 [naked xenophobia]
Pakistanis evoke highly negative emotions worldwide,
including in Muslim majority countries, says a US survey. Not just the elites
but the common Pakistani too is culpable in the country’s spectacular
failure.
It has never been easy being a Pakistani. Pick a terrorist act committed anywhere in the world and chances are it has Pakistani fingerprints all over it. In many places, the word ‘Pakistani’ is a four-letter word.
So it must be a nasty kick in the guts for the Pakistanis to learn that their only allies, the Chinese, as well as the majority populations of several Muslim countries, including Egypt, Tunisia, Jordan and Lebanon, see them as a bunch of baddies.
A survey of 21 countries released on June 27, 2012 by the United States-based Pew Research Center suggests that Pakistan is not only a universally disliked country but the Pakistanis themselves have learnt nothing from their history, continuing to support the very actors who are responsible for their country’s negative image. [Very xenophobic against “packs”]
It has never been easy being a Pakistani. Pick a terrorist act committed anywhere in the world and chances are it has Pakistani fingerprints all over it. In many places, the word ‘Pakistani’ is a four-letter word.
So it must be a nasty kick in the guts for the Pakistanis to learn that their only allies, the Chinese, as well as the majority populations of several Muslim countries, including Egypt, Tunisia, Jordan and Lebanon, see them as a bunch of baddies.
A survey of 21 countries released on June 27, 2012 by the United States-based Pew Research Center suggests that Pakistan is not only a universally disliked country but the Pakistanis themselves have learnt nothing from their history, continuing to support the very actors who are responsible for their country’s negative image. [Very xenophobic against “packs”]
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Sanju 1/20/2013 [completed the xenophobia above]
@watcher....LMAO........Dont try to
pull a Pakistan on me....It wont work....
“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it [Pakistan] is the epicenter of terrorism in the world right now. It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”
And previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.
“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it [Pakistan] is the epicenter of terrorism in the world right now. It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”
And previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.
[Sanjus xenophobic
statements continue. I reproduced because it represent the way of thinking of
neo-cons in our country]
Pakistan is an evil influence and we should disengage
completely. They take our billions of dollars to pump themselves up when the
state is ROTTEN from within. The Taliban sympathizers and America-haters,
otherwise known as they froth at the mouth when they think of Afghanistan as
their slave to hide their over flow of jehadi.
Get our supply routes OUT of Pakistan. Do not leave Afghanistan vulnerable to these ciphers. The real government of Pakistan is run by criminals and our enemies. They DO NOT wish us well. They will, if they can, spread their own chaos, corruption and criminality into Afghanistan. Kick them OUT of the negotiating room and hold them responsible for every terrorist act that occurs on their borders.
Wake up, dear America, wake up. The Paki Govt, Army and Society are based on the three pillars of 3D: Duplicity, Deceit and Denial.
Get our supply routes OUT of Pakistan. Do not leave Afghanistan vulnerable to these ciphers. The real government of Pakistan is run by criminals and our enemies. They DO NOT wish us well. They will, if they can, spread their own chaos, corruption and criminality into Afghanistan. Kick them OUT of the negotiating room and hold them responsible for every terrorist act that occurs on their borders.
Wake up, dear America, wake up. The Paki Govt, Army and Society are based on the three pillars of 3D: Duplicity, Deceit and Denial.
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Tatooyou 1/20/2013
Maybe
someone can come up with a playbook for living in peace ... oh wait a minute, that’s what the counterterrorism playbook if for...silly me who knew that you can kill your way
to a peaceful world. [that is true: we
are killing the hope for a peaceful world]
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Watcher1 1/21/2013
The
CIA have an entire strategy for destabilizing nations. They do it for a reason, several reasons
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NotADonkey1 1/20/2013
[the moderate
CIA xenophobic view]
OK. We need to start bringing in some information to this
debate. The
Pakistan Government and the Waziristan extremists are not the same thing,
any more than the Government of the United States represents 100% of the views
of the people of the United States and in fact, in Pakistan it is far less the
case. The Pakistani Government does not have the
resources and to some degree, the support necessary to take on the Waziristan
warlords. If the Western powers cease to provide aid to the Pakistani
Government, the result will be the people of Pakistan will suffer and as a
consequence, blame their government. The result would be a more fundamentalist
government would take over in Pakistan and the problems for the rest of
the world would be far larger than what they are today. International politics
is by no means the black/white view of the world taken by people who are too
ignorant to bother considering the results of actions they espouse. The world
is gray, and one has to consider the consequences of ones actions, rather thant
having highly emotional response to a situation one does not even understand. Thank goodness we
leave this in the hands of the professionals in the governments of he world.
[CIA professional??]
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tatooyou
1/20/2013 5:13 PM EST
" Thank goodness we leave this in the hands of the
professionals in the governments of he world" . That's a hoot. It's of the so called
"professional" the world know nothing but how to kill. Give me
a break !
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Sanju 1/20/2013 [the ultra xenophobic]
@not a donkey..........let me say this slowly
again..........so you understand!!!
The rogue army of Pakistan has been collecting billions of dollars and high tech weapons such as F16, every year from USA but they never ever praised role of USA in Pakistan on any public forum. They rather despise USA in Pakistani forums to build anti-USA opinion
Public opinion in Pakistan is formed and deformed by the rogue army of Pakistan and they are the one who have been stabbing USA since 1950s. The policy of rogue army can be summed up as follows: SCRATCH MY BACK and I WILL STAB YOURS
Civilian government is nothing but a begging-branch of the rogue army.
The rogue army of Pakistan has been collecting billions of dollars and high tech weapons such as F16, every year from USA but they never ever praised role of USA in Pakistan on any public forum. They rather despise USA in Pakistani forums to build anti-USA opinion
Public opinion in Pakistan is formed and deformed by the rogue army of Pakistan and they are the one who have been stabbing USA since 1950s. The policy of rogue army can be summed up as follows: SCRATCH MY BACK and I WILL STAB YOURS
Civilian government is nothing but a begging-branch of the rogue army.
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Tatooyou 1/20/2013
Who knows, maybe they would do a better job at least than
the so called professionals!
So now we have a "playbook" on killing, how clever.
So now we have a "playbook" on killing, how clever.
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NotADonkey1 1/20/2013 [the moderate CIA xenophobic view]
Wow, you're really poorly informed sanju. Yes, ONE SECTION
of the Pakistani army is aligned with the Taliban and the Waziristan warlords.
However, it was also the Pakistani Army (the section not aligned with the
warlords) who, on orders from the Pakistani President repulsed the Waziristan
warlords from their push south. The notion that Pakistan is nothing but terrorists is just
plain wrong.
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IDoCare 1/20/2013 [what a dilemma :
what you prefer, rapists from india or a
Pack of terrorists?]
sanju: you seem to have taken a piece about india and did an
find-replace to replace india with pakistan. never did a more misogynist
society exist than even present day shindia. i wonder when you will step
forward and say the brutal rapes (the few that get reported) are committed by
pakistan.
[I would prefer shindias like Arundati Roy , the
one who said that wesrtern democracy is a scam and might say -regarding this
debate- it is full of xenophobic scam]
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OTHER
SOURCES ON THE SAME ISSUE
The Assassination Manual. By Paul Pillar. January 20, 2013. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/paul-pillar/the-assassination-manual-7992
Murder Inc. The Assassination Manual. By Paul Pillar. January 24, 2013 "TNI" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33696.htm
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